Diskussion:Equus (Act I - Scene 06)

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[Bearbeiten] Characters involved:

• Hester
• Dysart
• Nurse
• Alan
• Frank
• Dora

--KMD 15:29, 14. Okt 2006 (CEST)

[Bearbeiten] Discussion:

On page 25, the first sentence: < That's the most indulgent thing I've ever heard > What does she mean with "thing" ? The translation "duldsam" for indulgent does not fit here ... And on page 27: I don't get the situation here: Is Alan the whole time in this room where Dysart und Hesther are talking??! Or is Dysart still explaining the situation from page 26 (down) where Alan bursts in? If not : Why is Alan quiet for the whole time and why does Alan jump up at this moment?? And where the hell do "Frank" and Dora come from?! (Alans' parents?) Did he hear the conversation about TV?

My opinion: To understand this scene, there should be more direction clues. -- over & out - Commander Schlindes 16:31, 17. Okt 2006 (CEST)

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I agree with you Schlindes that there is a lack of information, however, it might be helpful to read the setting on page 13 again. Then you may get a better understanding for the stage. There it´s written: "All the cast of Equus sits on stage the entire evening. They get up to perform their scenes, and return when they are done to their places around the set. They are witnesses, assistants - and especially a Chorus." By using the word witnesses I´m sure Peter Shaffer means, that the actors can hear each other on stage. It´s a little confusing, though as you read the drama, it gets clearer and it´s always useful to go back to the setting on page 13. When Hesther says "thing" at the beginning of scene 6, she means Dysart´s dream. Good Night Sycamore

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You can use "maßlos" as a translation for "indulgent", then it fits better I think. --N1C 21:31, 17. Okt 2006 (CEST)

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The scene describes mainly a coloqium between Hesther and Dysart. Dysart tells her uhis strange dream (Act I - Scene 5) and the beginning of Alans problem, the TV. And I think the scene is one time in the Doctors´ room, and at the other time at the home of the Srangs but earlier, before Alan killed the horses and get to Dysart.
If I'm right the conflict between Alan and his parents is shown in the following sequence. Frank, the father of Alan is disappointed that his sun always watch Telly (TV) and never ever has been reading a book. So he want to put the TV-set away. Alan and also his mother complain against this, because "everyone is watching TV" (p. 28) Doran says.
Then Alan gets up suddenly and ask Dysart many historical questions, which Dysart can´t answer but he can.
At the end of this scene Dysart informates Hesther about his aimed visit at the house of the Stranges to see the headstone (Grundstein) of Alans problems clearer.--N1C 21:59, 17. Okt 2006 (CEST)

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Also Scene 6 is the first longer part of the play. --N1C 22:15, 17. Okt 2006 (CEST)

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Another résumé of the plot of Scene 6: Dysart blames Hesther for his nightmare (scene 5) of the other night at the beginning of Scene six, because she brought Alan Strang as a patient to him:"Anyway, all this dream nonsense is your fault." As a consequence the boys and girls who Dysart scrificed in his dream appeared with Alan Strang´s face. Dysart is concerned to have such a boy in his medical treatment, especially because he has "the strangest stare" he has ever seen, and that is propabably a reason why he cannot get him out of his mind. Hesther is surprised to hear that Alan talked to Dysart. When Dysart mentions Alan´s bad nightmares, that, as he supposes, makes him talk, the nurse comes to them and reports about the incident last night. Alan was screaming in his dream, so that he was given sedative. After the nurse informed Dysart, the conversation is amplifyed which means, that Alan, his mother Dora, and father Frank join the dialog. Alan replies to the question Dysart asked two days ago: His dad forbids him to watch TV, for he has the strong opinion that television makes a person stupid. Instead of watching he should better read books (Frank claims television is a "swiz(z)"). His wife Dora tries to defend her son, however, Frank is in such a rage determined that his house is not the right place for a TV. He is very obstinate. Then Alan´s parents leave the scene. Alan bets that his mom and he know more than Dysart, so a history competition arises. It comes out that Alan knows more indeed than expected. The scene ends up with the announciation that Dysart is going to visit family Strang´s home on Sunday to find out more about him and his situation at home.

Sycamore

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Is Sycamore your Nickname? Who are you?

I would say: We should first talk about the weird situation, which I already spoken to, before someone writes a false plot.
Sycamore wrote: the conversation is amplifyed which means, that Alan, his mother Dora, and father Frank join the dialog.
Is that right? Could be, but it's not exact enough. Why are they joining? Where are they coming from? And why does Alan answer a question Dysart asked him 2 days ago?! --Schlindes 12:50, 18. Okt 2006 (CEST)

Sycamore=Anna Sch.

I think your concerns and questions are justifiable, but I think these questions belong to the interpretation part. In order to answer them, we might have to read more and interpretate. So far, we cannot respond to them, we can only try to draw our concluscions. How do you like the summary? It took me a while.

sycamore

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I totally agree with Sycamore. Schlindes’s question can still be asked in the interpretation part. I worked a little bit on this last text. There were some things I added, as well as the quoting is right now. You might have a look at it. Great job, Sycamore! This was not an easy scene…--Hawkeye 22:59, 19. Okt 2006 (CEST)

At the beginning of scene 6 Dysart blames Hesther for his nightmare (scene 5) of the other night, because she was the one who brought him Alan Strang as a patient. "Anyway, all this dream nonsense is your fault" (p.25, l.29) notices Dysart, as the boys and girls he sacrificed in his dream appeared with Alan’s face. Dysart is concerned to have such a boy in his medical treatment, especially because Alan has "the strangest stare [he has] ever met" (p.26, l.4).

Hesther is surprised to hear that Dysart was able to make Alan speak some more. When Dysart mentions Alan´s bad nightmares, the nurse comes to report about the incident of last night. Alan was screaming in his dream and given sedative as a consequence.

At this point of scene 6, Alan, his mother Dora, and father Frank join the dialog. Alan replies to the question Dysart asked two days ago: His dad forbids him to watch TV, for he has the strong opinion that television stultifies people. Instead of watching TV, he should better read books (Frank claims television is a "swiz" (p.27, l.20)). His wife Dora tries to defend her son, however, Frank is in such a rage, determined that his house is not the right place for a TV. He is very obstinate and shown as some kind of “old-type socialist” (p.28, l.10).

Then Alan´s parents leave the scene. Hesther asks about Alan’s mom. She’s a high school teacher, a fact which Alan seems to be proud of. Alan bets that his mom and he know more history than Dysart, so he starts questioning the psychiatrist as a sort of contest. It appears that Alan indeed knows more than expected. One of Alan’s questions is: “Who said ‘Religion is the opium for the people’?” Dysart’s answer “Karl Marx” is not accepted by Alan but changed into “Mind your own beeswax” (p.29, l.15), which seems to be one of his dad’s figures of speech. The scene ends with the annunciation that Dysart is going to visit the Strangs’ home on Sunday to find out more about Alan and his situation at home.

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nice work  ! --Schlindes 00:12, 20. Okt 2006 (CEST)

I liked the work from Sycamore and Hawkeye cause they recorded their statements with the page and line from this act. Well done and very helpful for the others.

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Friddl

Thanks Hawkeye it sounds much better and the text is ready to be put on the article page!

Sycamore

Hi I think we should leave the links to the pages and the lines in the book like in the other articles.--Xerox 17:53, 24. Nov 2006 (CET)

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